Sources
Every fact in Venice Beach · The Man Who Started It All has a source. It draws on 53 of them, cited 110 times. Where they disagree, the episode says so.
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0:00Welcome
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
- The Lost Canals of Venice of America · PBS SoCal
- The oil field · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Los Angeles Times, 3 July 1905 · via the Internet Archive
0:36Meet Abbot Kinney
- Abbot Kinney · Wikipedia
- Abbot Kinney · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
1:11Abbot Kinney mural
- About the Canals · Venice Canals Association
- Carol M. Highsmith photograph · Library of Congress
1:28The man before Venice
- Abbot Kinney · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- No Place Like Home: The Abbot Kinney Residence at Kinneloa, ca. 1883 · Homestead Museum
- Ocean Park · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Abbot Kinney Boulevard · LA Street Names
- Building Venice of America · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
3:49Windward Circle: the lost lagoon
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
- Building Venice of America · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- CityDig: When Roller Coasters Replaced Opera in Venice, California · Los Angeles Magazine
- Filling the canals · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Venice Torso (2007) by Robert Graham · Public Art in Public Places
- Los Angeles Times, 3 July 1905 · via the Internet Archive
- Los Angeles Times, 5 July 1905 · via the Internet Archive
4:40Opera to roller coasters
- Building Venice of America · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- The Lost Canals of Venice of America · PBS SoCal
- Kinney’s pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Circus Tents, Earthquakes, and the Funniest Antitrust War Yet: Sarah Bernhardt in Los Angeles, 1906. Part II · Los Angeles Public Library
- CityDig: When Roller Coasters Replaced Opera in Venice, California · Los Angeles Magazine
5:46The VENICE sign
- Venice Sign · Venice Chamber of Commerce
- The Lost Canals of Venice of America · PBS SoCal
6:09Windward Avenue arcades
- Venice, Los Angeles · Wikipedia
- List of Los Angeles Historic Cultural Monuments on the Westside · Wikipedia
- Touch of Evil · Wikipedia
6:56Prohibition
- Gambling · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Venice myths · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Venice (California) · Wikivoyage
7:29Murals at the foot of Windward
- Venice, Los Angeles · Wikipedia
- Abbot Kinney Boulevard · Wikipedia
- Abbot Kinney Pier · Wikipedia
7:58The pier
- Building Venice of America · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Kinney’s pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Venice’s Lost Amusement Parks · PBS SoCal
- Ship Cafe (Venice, California) · Wikipedia
- Venice of America · PBS SoCal
- Abbot Kinney · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Los Angeles Times, 4 July 1906 · via the Internet Archive
- Los Angeles Times, 22 December 1920 · via the Internet Archive
9:49Venice Breakwater
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
- Venice, Los Angeles · Wikipedia
- The Venice pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
10:18Slum by the sea
- The Venice pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Venice Pier and the Ship Café · J. H. Graham
- Pacific Jewish Center · PBS SoCal
- Festival of American Folklife program book, 1984 · Smithsonian Center for Folklife
- Lawrence Lipton and Venice, California’s Claim to Beat Fame · PBS SoCal
- Welcome to Venice West: Audio Recordings from the Lawrence Lipton Papers: Lipton and Venice · USC Libraries
- Venice Eclectic (walking tour booklet) · Los Angeles Conservancy
- Remembering Ray Manzarek, Keyboardist For The Doors · NPR
- The Doors · Wikipedia
12:49Sentiment and progress
- Abbot Kinney · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Venice myths · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
- The Venice pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Filling the canals · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- The Lost Canals of Venice of America · PBS SoCal
- The oil field · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
- Los Angeles Times, 4 June 1911 · via the Internet Archive
- Los Angeles Times, 5 May 1922 · via the Internet Archive
- Los Angeles Times, 18 May 1922 · via the Internet Archive
15:33Grand Canal at Venice Boulevard: where the canals stop
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
16:03Why these survived
- About the Canals · Venice Canals Association
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
17:25Carroll Canal
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
- Venice Canals holiday boat parade returns Dec. 14 · Westside Current
18:06Sea water
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
18:25Eastern Canal & the arched Linnie Court bridge
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
18:41Four canals, four bridges
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
18:56Linnie Canal
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
19:19The birds
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
19:33Howland Canal
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
19:43The rebuild
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
- About the Canals · Venice Canals Association
20:05Sherman Canal & the Dell Avenue entrance
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
20:26Grand Canal
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
- List of Los Angeles Historic Cultural Monuments on the Westside · Wikipedia
20:55Sentiment did all right
- The Lost Canals of Venice of America · PBS SoCal
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
21:26Venice Fishing Pier
- Venice, Los Angeles · Wikipedia
- Venice Fishing Pier · Wikipedia
- Venice Pier Closed for Repairs · Pacific Park
- The Venice pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
All sources
Most-cited first.
Histories and articles · 29
- The Lost Canals of Venice of America · PBS SoCal
In Welcome, Opera to roller coasters, The VENICE sign, Sentiment and progress and 1 more
- Abbot Kinney · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In Meet Abbot Kinney, The man before Venice, The pier, Sentiment and progress
- Building Venice of America · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In The man before Venice, Windward Circle: the lost lagoon, Opera to roller coasters, The pier
- The Venice pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In Venice Breakwater, Slum by the sea, Sentiment and progress, Venice Fishing Pier
- About the Canals · Venice Canals Association
In Abbot Kinney mural, Why these survived, The rebuild
- CityDig: When Roller Coasters Replaced Opera in Venice, California · Los Angeles Magazine
In Windward Circle: the lost lagoon, Opera to roller coasters
- Filling the canals · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In Windward Circle: the lost lagoon, Sentiment and progress
- Kinney’s pier · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In Opera to roller coasters, The pier
- The oil field · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In Welcome, Sentiment and progress
- Venice myths · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In Prohibition, Sentiment and progress
- Abbot Kinney Boulevard · LA Street Names
In The man before Venice
- Circus Tents, Earthquakes, and the Funniest Antitrust War Yet: Sarah Bernhardt in Los Angeles, 1906. Part II · Los Angeles Public Library
In Opera to roller coasters
- Gambling · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In Prohibition
- Lawrence Lipton and Venice, California’s Claim to Beat Fame · PBS SoCal
In Slum by the sea
- No Place Like Home: The Abbot Kinney Residence at Kinneloa, ca. 1883 · Homestead Museum
In The man before Venice
- Ocean Park · Jeffrey Stanton, Venice History
In The man before Venice
- Pacific Jewish Center · PBS SoCal
In Slum by the sea
- Remembering Ray Manzarek, Keyboardist For The Doors · NPR
In Slum by the sea
- Venice Canals holiday boat parade returns Dec. 14 · Westside Current
In Carroll Canal
- Venice Eclectic (walking tour booklet) · Los Angeles Conservancy
In Slum by the sea
- Venice of America · PBS SoCal
In The pier
- Venice Pier and the Ship Café · J. H. Graham
In Slum by the sea
- Venice Pier Closed for Repairs · Pacific Park
In Venice Fishing Pier
- Venice Sign · Venice Chamber of Commerce
In The VENICE sign
- Venice Torso (2007) by Robert Graham · Public Art in Public Places
In Windward Circle: the lost lagoon
- Venice’s Lost Amusement Parks · PBS SoCal
In The pier
- Welcome to Venice West: Audio Recordings from the Lawrence Lipton Papers: Lipton and Venice · USC Libraries
In Slum by the sea
- About Us · Eames Office
- Bookstore · Beyond Baroque
Newspapers · 7
- Los Angeles Times, 3 July 1905 · via the Internet Archive
In Welcome, Windward Circle: the lost lagoon
- Los Angeles Times, 18 May 1922 · via the Internet Archive
In Sentiment and progress
- Los Angeles Times, 22 December 1920 · via the Internet Archive
In The pier
- Los Angeles Times, 4 July 1906 · via the Internet Archive
In The pier
- Los Angeles Times, 4 June 1911 · via the Internet Archive
In Sentiment and progress
- Los Angeles Times, 5 July 1905 · via the Internet Archive
In Windward Circle: the lost lagoon
- Los Angeles Times, 5 May 1922 · via the Internet Archive
In Sentiment and progress
Government records and archives · 3
- Venice Canals, HAER CA-124 · Historic American Engineering Record, Library of Congress
In Welcome, Venice Breakwater, Sentiment and progress, Grand Canal at Venice Boulevard: where the canals stop and 9 more
- Carol M. Highsmith photograph · Library of Congress
In Abbot Kinney mural
- Festival of American Folklife program book, 1984 · Smithsonian Center for Folklife
In Slum by the sea
Encyclopedias · 14
- Venice Canal Historic District · Wikipedia
In Windward Circle: the lost lagoon, Grand Canal at Venice Boulevard: where the canals stop, Why these survived, Sea water and 3 more
- Venice, Los Angeles · Wikipedia
In Windward Avenue arcades, Murals at the foot of Windward, Venice Breakwater, Venice Fishing Pier
- List of Los Angeles Historic Cultural Monuments on the Westside · Wikipedia
In Windward Avenue arcades, Grand Canal
- Abbot Kinney · Wikipedia
In Meet Abbot Kinney
- Abbot Kinney Boulevard · Wikipedia
In Murals at the foot of Windward
- Abbot Kinney Pier · Wikipedia
In Murals at the foot of Windward
- Ship Cafe (Venice, California) · Wikipedia
In The pier
- The Doors · Wikipedia
In Slum by the sea
- Touch of Evil · Wikipedia
In Windward Avenue arcades
- Venice (California) · Wikivoyage
In Prohibition
- Venice Fishing Pier · Wikipedia
In Venice Fishing Pier
- Beyond Baroque Literary Arts Center · Wikipedia
- Social and Public Art Resource Center · Wikipedia
- Venice of America House · Wikipedia
Where the sources disagree
The episode gives both versions, calls it a legend, or leaves it out.
- Coin toss: Stanton (late Jan 1904; Kinney called tails, won, chose the marsh) vs Homestead Museum (Kinney LOST and was left with the marsh) vs lastreetnames (Feb 1904, 'according to legend'). Present it as legend.
- Opening-day crowd: 40,000 (Masters/LAmag, Venice Canals Assoc., seed/HAER) vs 20,000 per day over a four-day celebration (Stanton).
- Gondoliers on opening day: Stanton says the gondolas had not yet arrived from Italy for the 4 July 1905 weekend.
- Canal length: about two miles (Masters; Stanton 'more than two miles') vs '16 miles' (LA County Beaches & Harbors).
- Auditorium seats: 3,000 / 3,400 / 3,500 / 3,600 depending on source.
- 1920 pier fire: 9:30 p.m. (Stanton) vs 9:50 a.m. (Wikipedia); firefighter killed 'Arthur Ranse' (Stanton) vs 'Arthur Harlan' (Wikipedia). Both put it 20 Dec 1920.
- Race Thru the Clouds closure: 1923 (LA Conservancy, Coasterpedia via search) vs 1924 (LMU record via search, not read).
- Annexation: vote 2 Oct 1925, joined 25 Nov 1925 (Stanton) vs vote Nov 1925, merged 1926 (HAER/Wikipedia) vs part of LA in October 1925 (LA County).
- Annexation cause: Stanton calls the 'treasurer stole the money' story a myth ($22,000, returned in a week); Wikipedia lists the 1922 Peasgood conviction among the problems. No source read named municipal debt.
- Oil well count: 340 (Stanton, All Night Menu) vs about 450 (LA County, Wikipedia) vs 'more than 400' (PBS). Last well: derricks gone in 1962 (Stanton/All Night Menu) vs last wells capped 1991 near the Pavilion (Wikipedia; that is the 1966 beach slant-drilling site).
- Pier closure: midnight Sat 20 April 1946 (Stanton) vs reported 19 April 1946 (J. H. Graham).
- 550 demolitions: 1964 (Stanton, Rudd) vs 1962-65 (LA Conservancy, City Planning).
- Doors meeting: Venice Beach (popular telling) vs Santa Monica beach in front of Manzarek's Fraser Ave house (Wikipedia, citing his memoir); July vs August 1965. In NPR, Manzarek says only 'the beach' and jokes about 'Two Guys from Venice Beach'.
- POP demolition: winter 1973-74 (Stanton) vs sat until 1975 (KQED/KCRW).
- Venice Muscle Beach origin: 1951 'The Pen' (Pacific Park) vs 1963 (city page in seed). Santa Monica closure 1959 (Pacific Park) vs 1958 scandal (Hakai).
- Canal restoration: 1991-93 (Venice Canals Assoc.) vs 1992-93 (HAER, in seed) vs 1995 (LA City Planning timeline).
- Kinneloa acreage: 550 (Stanton, Rudd) vs 537 (Homestead Museum).
- Stanton is inconsistent on Margaret Kinney's death: 30 June 1911 in the bio vs 'until she died in 1914' in the myths article. Use 1911 (Wikipedia agrees).
- Stanton dates Tony Cornero's surrender of the gambling ship Rex to 9 Aug 1938, but his own photo caption says 1939. The fact is left out until checked.
Pictures
All 68 photos, with who made them and the terms we use them under
Howland Canal from the Dell Avenue bridge, 1992 and 2022
Another Believer, CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 4.0
Linnie Canal from Dell Avenue, 1992 and 2022
Another Believer, CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 4.0
Sherman Canal from the Dell Avenue bridge, 1992, before the rebuild, and 2022
Another Believer, CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 4.0
The six canals in 1971, labelled, and from the air today
Winston Kaya, 1971; Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124, photo 3, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
The pier from the breakwater, about 1914, and where it stood today
Oil wells on the peninsula in 1942, and the same strip today
One of Kinney's canals, 1911; they became streets
Detroit Publishing Co., Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division, LC-D4-71899 (2004672394) · public domain
The auditorium on the pier, about 1905
California Historical Society Collection, USC Libraries Special Collections (CHS-2804) — public domain · public domain
The marsh in 1959, before the marina, and the marina today
US Army Corps of Engineers, via Turhollow, History of the Los Angeles District USACE 1898–1965 · public domain
Sarah Bernhardt in Phèdre at Berkeley, 17 May 1906 — the day before her Venice shows
Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division, Panoramic Photographs, LC 2007663413 · public domain
The canals of Venice of America, on a postcard of about 1908
Selling the lots: a newspaper advertisement, c.1905
Venice of America promoters, via Los Angeles Public Library Regional History (California Index) · public domain
The first arched bridge at Grand Canal Court, and the 1979 one
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124 (Venice Canals), photo 13, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
The first arched bridge at Grand Canal Court, and the 1979 one
Digging the canals with horse-drawn scoops, 1905
Beats at the 1959 hearing over the Gas House coffeehouse
Los Angeles Times Photographic Collection, UCLA Library, CC BY 4.0 · CC BY 4.0
Gondolas on the canals
California Historical Society Digital Collection — no known copyright restrictions · No known copyright restrictions
Original 1905 sidewalk on the south bank, photographed in 1992
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124 (Venice Canals), photo 7, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
One of the four Dell Avenue bridges, 1992
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124, photo 11, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
Grand Canal in 1992, before the rebuild, and today
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124, photo 29, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
Howland Canal from the Dell Avenue bridge, 1992 and 2022
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124, photo 37, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
Linnie Canal from Dell Avenue, 1992 and 2022
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124, photo 35, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
Where the surviving canals begin, 1992 and 2022
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124 (Venice Canals), photo 8, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
The tide gates at Washington Boulevard, 1992 and 2022
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124, photo 27, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
The canals today
Carol M. Highsmith Archive, Library of Congress, Prints and Photographs Division · public domain
The six canals in 1971, labelled, and from the air today
Carol M. Highsmith, 2012, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division (LCCN 2013633208) · public domain
The Hotel St. Mark on Windward Avenue, before Prohibition
Detroit Publishing Co., Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division, LC 2016818070 · public domain
Kinney in 1884, engraved for the Los Angeles Herald
Los Angeles Herald, 28 Oct 1884, via Chronicling America, Library of Congress · public domain
Kinney, engraved for "Men of California", 1901
"Men of California, 1900–1902" (1901), ed. Wellington Wolfe, p.176 — public domain · public domain
Abbot Kinney around 1905, the year Venice opened
The pier, with the auditorium and the Ship Café
Detroit Publishing Co., Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division, LC 2016818069 · public domain
The lagoon, about 1910 — where the traffic circle is now
California Historical Society Collection, USC Libraries Special Collections (CHS-2066) — public domain · public domain
Swimmers at the lagoon's diving tower, about 1905
California Historical Society Collection, USC Libraries Special Collections (CHS-2774) — public domain · public domain
"Vanishing Canals": the Los Angeles Times, 8 July 1929
Los Angeles Times, 8 July 1929, p.10, via Internet Archive (Serials in Microfilm) — public domain · public domain
The Linnie Canal Court bridge, before and after 1979
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124 (Venice Canals), photo 24, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
The Linnie Canal Court bridge, before and after 1979
Winston Kaya, 1971; HAER CA-124, photo 23, Library of Congress · public domain
Lawrence Lipton in 1965
Los Angeles Times Photographic Archive, UCLA Library Special Collections, CC BY 4.0 · CC BY 4.0
The plan: Venice of America, Abbot Kinney Company map, 1905
The southern canals, sold as a subdivision in 1910
Venice on the 1923 survey map, with its canals
U.S. Geological Survey, Venice quadrangle, 1923 (via Perry-Castañeda Library, UT Austin) · public domain
Windward Avenue about 1905, under a VENICE banner, and the sign today
Title Insurance and Trust, and C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, USC Libraries & California Historical Society · public domain
Ocean Front Walk in 1985
John Margolies Roadside America photograph archive, Library of Congress (LCCN 2017712585) · public domain
Oil wells on the peninsula in 1942, and the same strip today
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Los Angeles District, 1942 — National Archives (NAID 295299) · public domain
Ducks on Carroll Canal, 1984
Tony Barnard / Los Angeles Times Photographic Collection, UCLA Library, CC BY 4.0 · CC BY 4.0
The Pacific Jewish Center, the last synagogue on the boardwalk
Carol M. Highsmith, Jon B. Lovelace Collection of California Photographs, Library of Congress (LCCN 2013632400) · public domain
Venice of America in 1908: the canal town, before most of it was filled in
California Panorama Co., Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division, Panoramic Photographs (2007660712) · public domain
Kinney's pier, running out from the foot of Windward, 1907
Postcard, 1907; USC Digital Library, Los Angeles Examiner Collection — public domain · public domain
The pier on fire, 21 December 1920
The Huntington Library, San Marino, California (photCL 555) · public domain
The pier from the breakwater, about 1914, and where it stood today
Western Publishing & Novelty Co. postcard, San Diego State University Library — public domain · public domain
The amusement pier at its peak, about 1915
Frank W. Staley, "Staley's Views: Los Angeles, 1914–1915" (San Francisco: F.W. Staley) · public domain
Where the surviving canals begin, 1992 and 2022
The Race Thru the Clouds roller coaster
Postcard, publisher unknown, USC Libraries Special Collections — public domain · public domain
Sherman Canal drained for the rebuild, 1992
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124 (Venice Canals), photo 40, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
Sherman Canal from the Dell Avenue bridge, 1992, before the rebuild, and 2022
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124 (Venice Canals), photo 38, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
A snowy egret fishing in the canals
Christopher Adjani (Greenzones), CC BY-SA 2.5, via Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 2.5
Carroll Canal
Tony Barnard, Los Angeles Times · CC BY 4.0
Grand Canal
Carol M. Highsmith · Public domain
Grand Canal at Venice Boulevard: where the canals stop
Los Angeles · CC BY-SA 3.0
Sherman Canal & the Dell Avenue entrance
Tubbydammer · CC BY-SA 3.0
Venice Fishing Pier
Clyde Charles Brown · CC BY-SA 4.0
Windward Avenue arcades
Downtowngal · CC BY-SA 3.0
The A. Stutzer stamp, photographed in 1992
Historic American Engineering Record, HAER CA-124 (Venice Canals), photo 6, Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division · public domain
The tide gates at Washington Boulevard, 1992 and 2022
Grand Canal in 1992, before the rebuild, and today
Américo Toledano (Hameryko), CC BY-SA 4.0, via Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 4.0
The capitals, photographed in 1985
John Margolies Roadside America photograph archive (1972-2008), Library of Congress, Prints and Photographs Division · LOC: "No known restrictions on publication"
Windward Avenue about 1905, under a VENICE banner, and the sign today
glwx, CC BY-SA 3.0, via Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 3.0
The arcade in about 1906, and the same columns today
California Historical Society Collection, USC Libraries Special Collections (CHS-2067) — public domain · public domain
The arcade in about 1906, and the same columns today
Downtowngal, CC BY-SA 3.0, via Wikimedia Commons · CC BY-SA 3.0